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Provari – The Rolls Royce of Advanced Personal Vaporizers?

Foreword

Reading over our review of the ProVari mini from last June (here) I decided that rather than reiterate much of what was written back then, and update it to include the newest technological improvements with v2.5, that it would be interesting to take a look at some of our preconceived notions about this legendary APV. So, what you will read below is stream-of-consciousness stuff, things I have thought about, considered, and considered some more. – JM

And… It Begins

If you were to type the word ‘Provari’ into our search box you’d find that the word pops up more often than any other APV, probably by a factor of 10. Yet of more than 300 articles written in the past 12 months there is only one review for the Provari. That review, on the ProVari mini (black) was written last June, and since that time every writer on staff has referenced the ProVari in many articles since then. The reason? Because when you get down to it there is nothing out there that comes close to the quality and performance of a ProVape ProVari. Why is that?

It seems that almost every day some company is announcing or releasing a new vaping device. In the past couple of months alone there must have been a dozen or more APV’s introduced. Some of them we’ve written about, some of them we haven’t yet. Some we may never review. After a while it becomes more difficult to write about APV’s because most of them perform at the same level and offer the same feature set. There is only so much you can say about a VV/VW APV.provape provari

Others

The last time I got anywhere near excited about an APV was when the first Joyetech eVic arrived in the office. The eVic promised to be something altogether new; and it was. The eVic is, in my opinion, an honest and sincere effort on behalf of Joyetech to release an advanced personal vaporizer (APV) that would deserve the spot at the top of the mountain. In many ways it succeeds as a top-notch APV; originality, sophistication, the melding of the APV and the computer, and even the design. It is, in many ways, a great APV. I’m proud to own one, a gift from SmokenJoey with the name Spinfuel engraved along the side. Every time I use it I notice the engraving, think of SmokenJoey, and I smile. (This is a good man).

For Julia it’s the red brass ZMAX (rev 2) she received from Jon. For Tom it’s the new VAMO (thedigitalcig) that he can’t quite stop talking about. Jason has a thing for his Anytime CVI and Lambo v4. (MyVaporStore) Keira refuses to use anything other than her eVic (a gift from Julia), while Lisa, Dave, and Jon Locke all love their various Spinners and Twists. Don’t get me wrong; it’s not the only thing they use. We have a community shelf where we have all kinds of APV’s, mini-ecig batteries, simple eGo’s and a few bottom feeders, and any of us can come and take, or ‘check out’ whatever we want to use at the time, but we have all chosen one (or two) that we call our own, that leave the office with us, that we us to vape while we are alone, at parties, or in public.

But…

Despite having access to all this hardware, running through each staff member like an underground stream is one undeniable truth; if they could they would ditch the APV’s they have now, in a New York minute, if they had the opportunity to own a ProVari.

I hear this kind of stuff all the time, and it’s unsettling. I’ll be the first one to admit that for an electronic cigarette (man I hate that term), the ProVari is definitely at the high-end of the price scale. But from the way you hear people talk about it, and from what I read in the vaping community, you would think that a ProVari is so prohibitively expensive that in order to afford one you’d have to sell a kidney. And that just isn’t true.

Perspective

A brand new ProVari (full size) in one of several colors is $179.95. The satin silver ProVari is $159.95, and the ProVari Starter Kit, with 2x 18490 AW High Drain batteries, 1x Battery Charger, a 5 pack of Boge SR Cartomizers, and a metal drip tip to use with those cartomizers, is $211.95.

If you buy a $179.95 ProVari you are buying the body only. No batteries, no charger, no nothing extra. Compare that to the Joyetech eVic, body only, through MyVaporStore, and the price difference is around $90 (body-only eVic is $87). Add some taxes to the overall price and maybe we’re looking, at most, at a $100 price difference.

Money?

While a hundred dollars more than another top-end APV is nothing to sneeze at, perhaps there is another reason so many people long for a ProVari and never make the attempt to actually buy one. Maybe there is something else going on, something more psychological than financial. There was for me back in the beginning of my own vaping history. So it begs the question then; is the ProVari an APV for the “everyman and everywoman”?

Let’s examine that question a bit.

Before we do, let’s all agree that there is literally no one, anywhere, who believes that the ProVape ProVari is NOT the best APV on the market. There may be an APV or two that offers more electronic features, variable wattage might be one, or a software suite for the computer platform of your choice, with upgradable firmware through a personal computer, but no one believes for a minute that for build quality, materials, workmanship, dependability and accuracy, that there is anything better than the ProVari.

But getting back to the question, “Is the ProVari for everyone” let’s take a look from two vantage points for perspective.

Vantage Point One: Is the ProVari for “you”? – By that I mean, do you think you should own a ProVari? Forget about the price for a minute, we can agree that the ProVari is expensive when compared to other APV’s, but for most adults that used to blow through a ton of money buying poisonous tobacco products a hundred bucks is not the end all be all of financial destruction. For “most” Vapers saving up an extra $100 in order to buy that ProVari is not an impossible task and it might be done in as little as a week to a couple of months. Remember, I said most people, not everyone.

So, if we buy into the premise that the price difference, while substantial, is not insurmountable, why do so many Vapers long to own a ProVari?

Could it be more about “deserving” a ProVari?

Time for a little humble pie: I may have decades of experience in writing and publishing, but when we launched Spinfuel on March 1, 2012 the total time I had been vaping was 4 months. And that first 4 months was restricted to using Blu Cigs. I thought they were the best eCigarette in the world. After I hired our staff, or rather kidnapped my staff, from our New Hampshire office and brought them down to Florida, I then began to experiment with other mini-eCigs like Green Smoke and South Beach Smoke. My knowledge level in electronic cigarettes was minimal at best.

We published our first review for the ProVari mini on June 28th, 2012. (here) I spent a few weeks with it before publishing the review. I infamously referred to voltage as ohms and ohms as voltage, and a few other now-embarrassing mistakes. Looking back, my feelings at the time were that the ProVari was over my head. I swear I believed that I was not worthy of owning a ProVari because I had not yet paid my dues. At the time I wrote the review my total experience with eCigarettes was just 8 months.

It kind of felt like I was more like a spoiled teenager that receives a $100,000 car at the age of 16, or attending an Ivy League college because my family connections got me in, not my SAT’s instead of having enough experience to get the most out of a ProVari.

That’s kind of silly, isn’t it? I mean really, it’s an electronic cigarette for god’s sake, why feel intimated over it? Honestly? Because it was the best, it was American designed and manufactured, it was, and remains, an example of what we can achieve when we set out to develop the finest “X, Y, or Z” in the world, and here I was, barely 8 months in and I had already been fortunate enough to own one. I didn’t feel like I deserved it.

Is this something others might think when they talk about ‘longing’ for their own ProVari? Do other people believe that they have not yet earned the privilege to vape with a ProVari?

Vantage Point 2: “Is the ProVari for them?” – Let’s assume for a moment that you and I, and a handful of others, had an exclusive club for ProVari owners. Like the clubs or organizations for Corvettes, or fine cigars, or high-stakes poker, the ProVari provokes exclusivity.

One day we are all sitting around in our private club vaping our ProVari’s and talking about eLiquids and RBA’s and how they just perform or taste better when vaped with a ProVari, when all of a sudden a few newbie Vapers walk in, ProVari’s in hand, and they sit down with us. After a couple of minutes they try to join in the conversation, only their knowledge is very shallow and they begin to ask questions and make statements that are completely wrong. How world you react?

Do you accept them into the group, happily answer all their newbie questions, remark on the newbie statements, welcoming them with open arms…or are you offended that these spoiled newbies have purchased a product they don’t yet deserve, and that they have no clue as to what the ProVari is really all about. Do you feel as though they have invaded the sanctuary usually reserved for people like yourself, people that have paid their dues, learned all they could about the intricacies of vaping, and skimped and saved over many months in order to buy the only APV that matches their level of understanding, their level of education?

Here’s The Point

The point I’m trying to make is this; The ProVape ProVari is the only APV that causes certain people to react much differently than they would if they owned or vaped with something less than a ProVari. Is it justified or not? Is the ProVari for anyone that can afford it? Is there an elite user base of people who feel superior to those that use anything less?

What does it mean?

Is it marketing hype that causes this level of desire or longing for a ProVari? Is it something more tangible? Does this level of respect for a vaping device deserve this much devotion?

It certainly isn’t the marketing is it? Other than a few banner Ads here and there, ProVape spends very little on self-promotion. That leaves word of mouth. The ProVari has earned its respect because it is, in actuality, everything people say it is. Maybe, just maybe, the ProVari deserves all the allocates it receives because it really is the best, most accurate, most well built electronic cigarette ever made.

That being the case, is it okay to long for a ProVari? Is it okay to believe that a ProVari must be earned? Is it okay to form a bond with other ProVari owners? And finally, is it okay to place the ProVari on a mantle representing the excellence of an American made ingenuity?

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About The Author

All original content is brought to you by the Spinfuel Staff, or Team Spinfuel, along with select guest contributors. The Staff includes John Manzione, Tom McBride, Julia Hartley-Barnes, Keira Hartley-Barnes, Jason Little, Dori Odosso, Jim Kurz, and Dave Foster.

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10 Comments

  1. Rip Washington

    I think it interesting that you bring up the aspect of one paying his or her dues before earning the right to own a Provari. I didn’t purchase mine until I saw the futility of continually buying inexpensive kits that failed to perform consistently more than a few weeks. But by the time I had been vaping nearly 2 years and understood what I was investing in. (As well as anyone could understand who had never used or owned a Provari.

    Fast forward 2 years and my big sister becomes interested in e-cigarettes. We’re both on limited budgets and I KNOW she’ll save money in the long run making her first pv a Provari.

    I didn’t open my mouth about it.

    I introduced her to Blu-cigs. When she quickly expressed displeasure with that, I took her to the local cape shop where she purchased an eGo (clone, I believe) and discovered juices and vape basics. She still had problems, so I purchased a Twist for her. Better results, but not quite right. Yet she was reasonably satisfied. Only THEN did I mention that sometime next year we might consider looking at the Provari.

    “Next year? I want one for CHRISTMAS.”

    Mind you, my sister doesn’t have internet access so she wouldn’t know a Provari from a bologna sandwich. But she was astute enough to observe that during the months I assisted her, I never once complained about my device (HER words, not mine). She had already decided that whatever I had was what she wanted.

    I purchased a Provari mini kit (blue w/blue LED) for her last week.

    She loves it..

    But I think I was correct in allowing her to experience “not-Provari” in order for her to appreciate Provari ownership.

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  2. Ted Green

    An oustanding piece on the legendary Provari. When one reads the reviews on Provapes website, one can see how bullet-proof and satisfying it is. I started vaping two years ago. I’m a Measurement science engineer dealing mostly with electronic equipment. So, when I started vaping, I started off kind off slow, but, quicky got into rebuildables. (After being in the field 30 years I can transpose ohms, watts, current in volts in my head.) After the eVic came out, I bought that, attracted by the downlaodable data. But, I still want a Provari! I have run into some limitations that I know the Provari doesn’t have. Someday, I will have one, and on that day I will definitely feel I deserve it!

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  3. Dustin

    I got my Provari 2 weeks ago and haven’t looked back. I love the thing. Is there room for improvement? YES. Is it variable wattage? Meh. I would not consider myself an “experienced” vaper, but I learn more and more every day. I’ve been experimenting with various tanksm, etc. The one and only thing I think they could improve upon is the top cap/connector section. A deeper juice well with some sort of adjustable airflow on it, so people who like to use things like the iClear, locking Carto tanks, etc. I know these aren’t top of the line RBA’s or a high end glass carto tank. What they are however is something that a lot of people like using. Just because I spent a ton of money on a high end mod, doesn’t mean I want to deal with all the fuss that the high end juice delivery systems require. Most carto tanks are a little fussy when taking off the mod and have been known to occasionally slide off the carto while in someone’s pocket. RBA tanks can’t be left on their side. I wanted a high end device, but I also want something that is easy to deal with on a day to day basis. I’m constantly on the go at work and always have my mod on me. This is my one and only gripe with the Provari.

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  4. Perry

    price has alot to do with it, whether you buy one or not. For some they can’t/won’t justify the price. It is one of the most expensive mods on the market. For others they will buy it because of the price. The fact that it is so expensive means it must be better, they deserve the best, they want to be part of the “owners” club.

    This mentality starts to fall into the “fan boy” area. Kind of like the deal with apple products. Most can’t tell you why its the best other that its made by apple.

    I really can’t see how its so much better than another device. I mean is the provari’s 3.7 setting better or more efficient than the zmax 3.7 setting?

    In the end it comes down to personal preference and what the user values more. Do you want the distinction of saying I have the best because it costs the most or do you say I won’t buy into the hype and use the $$ I would spend on a provari and buy 3 devices. Think rolex vs timex. Both watches but one is “the best” and the other one is the “every” man watch. Both tell time the exact same way.

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    1. Sam

      Well, 3.7v on a Zmax or any other mod in its class is actually not the same as 3.7v on a Provari. What is to me the main appeal of the Provari is that you actually get the voltage you set. Mods like the Zmax will not actually give you the voltage you set it at once it has to deal with a load, i.e. a tank’s resistance. Also, many mods from China, Zmax included, use the infamous 33.3 rattlesnake chip, which does the job albeit in a more crude manner than the sophisticated electronics in a Provari. As far as I know, there is no VV mod that comes anywhere close to a Provari in terms of firing, durability, clinical accuracy, and most of all build quality. I’ve owned a lavatube, zmax, evic, SVD, MVP and Provari 2.5. Out of all those, only the Provari, Evic and MVP are still functioning as they should. I feel this kind of justifies the price point since one Provari likely costs less than 3 decent vv china mods. As mentioned in the article, you’d be hard pressed to find any problems with a Provari although there is room for improvement as there always will be. Just my two cents, sorry for the rambling, cheers mate, vape proud¡ :)

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      1. Sam

        Oh, and also, another thing I habe only seem from a Provari is the ability to fire consistently right up until the battery drops below I think 3.2v. You get the same vape on a fresh battery as the last vape before it stops firing. China mods in my experience tend to falter somewhat as the battery drops to near the cutoff point. And I can’t say I know exactly how or why, but the Provari does seem to use power more efficiently. An 18490 is more than enough to get me through an entire day from about 9am to 12 or 1 that night firing at 4.7v throughout the day. I was pretty sceptical at first too man. Try a head-to-head comparison with another vv mod. Set them to the same voltage, same fresh IMR batteries etc. Have a vape on both with the same tank and juice. I promise you will see the difference.

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  5. Grady

    I wouldn’t have savored the taste and increased vapor of my first disposable Blu ecig if I hadn’t first suffered through the njoy I bought at Walmart in yet another desperate attempt to quit smoking. I wouldn’t be so impressed with my current ego battery and tank system if I had started out with it. And, I wouldn’t be so excitedly awaiting the arrival of my first VV ecig, The EGO Twist, if I hadn’t experienced some occasional disappointment with my current setup. The greatest thing about Ecigs, in my opinion, isn’t just the opportunity to quit smoking “analogs”, its about discovering a new way to enjoy the activity we all love. Vaping is more then a nicotine delivery system. I understand why for some people jumping all in and getting the best system at the get go makes sense, but for me the journey has been a large part of the fun. The search new flavors and equipment is a constant source of enjoyment for me, the discovery and anticipation of new things is what makes this a hobby for me instead of just a cigarette replacement. Kudos to the story angle taken here, its one of the many things that make this magazine fun to read!

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  6. jrmcquill

    I’ve been an apprentice in the Professional Golfers Association of America and managed wine departments for a major retailer in Chicago. My experience has shown me that not only am I welcome to newcomers, but so are the vast majority of “seasoned” veterans. Is there a learning curve with any new endeavor in life, sure, and the people who help the most are those who have been at it for a while.

    When I first got into ecigs, I really wish someone would have just told me point blank, “Buy a ProVari NOW!!” Simple fact is it would’ve saved me hundreds of dollars…at least the expense of the ProVari itself. If I had $100,000 to cough up on a luxury car, I would do it! I’ve always dreamed of owning a 911 Turbo. However, I would not presume to know anything about the inner workings of it’s beastly flat-6, or how to navigate the apex of a local track’s turns, nor would I show up to that track pretending I did. What I would do, is lean on those “in the know” to take me under their wing and show me the ropes, therefore enabling me to enjoy my fine piece of craftsmanship even more!

    All I know is that as soon as I had my first vape on a ProVari, I understood what all the hype was about. The juice DID in fact taste better. Was it in my head…maybe? But to this day, it is my preferred device. I enjoy my Zmax, twists, Bolt, GG clone and Vamo…I’ve even joined a co-op on the Innokin SVD. They all have their place, and the APV itself is just part of the puzzle.

    Listen, it does take an inexperienced palate some education to appreciate an old Bordeaux from a good vintage, but how are you going to learn if you don’t try? What I do know is that no matter how bad of a golfer you are, the latest TaylorMade driver is not going to let you break par. You HAVE to be a legitimate scratch golfer to have a chance of throwing up a 68. However, if you do put that latest TM driver on a robotic testing device, I guarantee it will outperform a $30 “knockoff”. Maybe this is the case with the ProVari?

    By the way, I’ve only been vaping for 3 months, so whether I’m “deserving” or not, I don’t care. I smoked Marl Lights…were they the pinnacle of tobacco products? Absolutely not. I’m here to quit smoking, and found out that I can actually really enjoy what I’m sending past my taste buds when I crave the nicotine. Could I afford my ProVari? Can I afford the second one that’s almost certain to join my lineup? Maybe? But never in my mind did I think I was ponying up for the vaping equivalent of a 911 Turbo!

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  7. Ian

    Provari’s are great, don’t get me wrong. I own two.
    They deliver amazing accuracy, and form-factor permitting, one of the best mods on the market for most vapors using clearos/cartos/tanks/attys.

    The only things that the provari’s lack, however, is a large amperage output necessary for certain RBA’s, and for low resistance dual and three coil setups.

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